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	<title>Comments on: rumination 1: something raw, something foie, something meat, something blah&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://ulteriorepicure.com/2009/08/02/something-raw-something-foie-something-blah/#comment-3804</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 06:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I realize that my response is long, long after the original post but I thought you might appreciate my tale of the most whimsical table-side entertainment I have ever encountered:

A friend and I ate at Troisgros.  What I would call the first dessert, your Something Pre-Sweet, was named &lt;i&gt;Flocons de neige, à la passion&lt;/i&gt;.  First, the staff wheeled over a cart bearing a large bronze tureen piled high with blocks of meringue.  Then we were each given a plate with a dark, crisp gingerbread Xmas tree on it.  Then the waiters brought forth the rasps....

Gleefully silly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize that my response is long, long after the original post but I thought you might appreciate my tale of the most whimsical table-side entertainment I have ever encountered:</p>
<p>A friend and I ate at Troisgros.  What I would call the first dessert, your Something Pre-Sweet, was named <i>Flocons de neige, à la passion</i>.  First, the staff wheeled over a cart bearing a large bronze tureen piled high with blocks of meringue.  Then we were each given a plate with a dark, crisp gingerbread Xmas tree on it.  Then the waiters brought forth the rasps&#8230;.</p>
<p>Gleefully silly.</p>
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		<title>By: ulterior epicure</title>
		<link>http://ulteriorepicure.com/2009/08/02/something-raw-something-foie-something-blah/#comment-3188</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ulterior epicure]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 21:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Joel: Indeed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Joel: Indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 16:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Then there are meals conceived as a whole, where each course stands alone and is a stage for what comes next as well as an amplifier of what came before.  David Kinch&#039;s Manresa, based on one experience and lots of vicarious eating does this as few others do.
Jinhua, NYC]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then there are meals conceived as a whole, where each course stands alone and is a stage for what comes next as well as an amplifier of what came before.  David Kinch&#8217;s Manresa, based on one experience and lots of vicarious eating does this as few others do.<br />
Jinhua, NYC</p>
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		<title>By: KD</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;But I truly relish those rare occasions when chefs surprise me with something novel, something that steers a wide berth around cliches, and – most importantly – something wholly theirs.&quot;

Would you put l&#039;Arnsbourg in that category?  Particularly, with the breadth and playfulness of the amuses and the &#039;invitation to discover&#039;, I think Chef Klein enters some territory that is &quot;wholly [his].&quot;

&quot;in order to understand the chef and to discover the world of food through his/her eyes.&quot;

I couldn&#039;t agree more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But I truly relish those rare occasions when chefs surprise me with something novel, something that steers a wide berth around cliches, and – most importantly – something wholly theirs.&#8221;</p>
<p>Would you put l&#8217;Arnsbourg in that category?  Particularly, with the breadth and playfulness of the amuses and the &#8216;invitation to discover&#8217;, I think Chef Klein enters some territory that is &#8220;wholly [his].&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;in order to understand the chef and to discover the world of food through his/her eyes.&#8221;</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more.</p>
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		<title>By: ulterior epicure</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ulterior epicure]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 04:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Derek:  Thanks.

@ Jon: Yes, I suppose that&#039;s the difference between a culture that&#039;s formally acknowledged and institutionalized the &quot;tasting menu&quot; and named it sacred (i.e. the Japanese and the &quot;kaiseki&quot;), and a culture that&#039;s couched its tasting menu as a culinary expression and statement unique to a particular chef (i.e. the West and its &quot;degustation&quot;) when all it really is (and no one is willing to admit it) a boilerplate form by which they can guarantee an average check amount.   

Asia is totally different from the West, which is why I had made this caveat in the post above: &quot;(I would include the rest of the world, but the rest of the world doesn’t necessarily eat the way people in the northern half of the Western hemisphere do).&quot;  And, for what it&#039;s worth, I think fruit - especially good fruit - is a thoroughly acceptable (and often preferable) way to end a meal.  I still dream about that spoon-ripe musk melon I had at masa.

@ Bryan Z: Jaded?  Guilty as charged. LoL.  I agree with what you say, but I would add: for me, more than it &quot;serves as a means to try as a many dishes as possible in search of that &#039;new&#039; something,&quot; a tasting menu serves as a means to try as many dishes as possible in order to understand the chef and to discover the world of food through his/her eyes.  Even if nothing &quot;new&quot; appears, I&#039;d be happy walking out having gained a better understanding or having a different perspective of the &quot;old.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Derek:  Thanks.</p>
<p>@ Jon: Yes, I suppose that&#8217;s the difference between a culture that&#8217;s formally acknowledged and institutionalized the &#8220;tasting menu&#8221; and named it sacred (i.e. the Japanese and the &#8220;kaiseki&#8221;), and a culture that&#8217;s couched its tasting menu as a culinary expression and statement unique to a particular chef (i.e. the West and its &#8220;degustation&#8221;) when all it really is (and no one is willing to admit it) a boilerplate form by which they can guarantee an average check amount.   </p>
<p>Asia is totally different from the West, which is why I had made this caveat in the post above: &#8220;(I would include the rest of the world, but the rest of the world doesn’t necessarily eat the way people in the northern half of the Western hemisphere do).&#8221;  And, for what it&#8217;s worth, I think fruit &#8211; especially good fruit &#8211; is a thoroughly acceptable (and often preferable) way to end a meal.  I still dream about that spoon-ripe musk melon I had at masa.</p>
<p>@ Bryan Z: Jaded?  Guilty as charged. LoL.  I agree with what you say, but I would add: for me, more than it &#8220;serves as a means to try as a many dishes as possible in search of that &#8216;new&#8217; something,&#8221; a tasting menu serves as a means to try as many dishes as possible in order to understand the chef and to discover the world of food through his/her eyes.  Even if nothing &#8220;new&#8221; appears, I&#8217;d be happy walking out having gained a better understanding or having a different perspective of the &#8220;old.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: BryanZ</title>
		<link>http://ulteriorepicure.com/2009/08/02/something-raw-something-foie-something-blah/#comment-3175</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 04:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A well-stated if, admittedly somewhat jaded, post.  I confess I very often feel the same.  You addressed the unique case of trying a chef&#039;s classic dishes, but otherwise I more frequently find myself evaluating a tasting menu and, by extension, a restaurant by the quality and degree of new and/or novel experiences it provides.  A tasting menu then serves as a means to try as a many dishes as possible in search of that &quot;new&quot; something.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A well-stated if, admittedly somewhat jaded, post.  I confess I very often feel the same.  You addressed the unique case of trying a chef&#8217;s classic dishes, but otherwise I more frequently find myself evaluating a tasting menu and, by extension, a restaurant by the quality and degree of new and/or novel experiences it provides.  A tasting menu then serves as a means to try as a many dishes as possible in search of that &#8220;new&#8221; something.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://ulteriorepicure.com/2009/08/02/something-raw-something-foie-something-blah/#comment-3174</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 02:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Y&#039;know, no one complains about this when they come here to Japan and eat kaiseki. That&#039;s even more formalized, but I think people don&#039;t notice. To enjoy that fully, you have be aware of the style and then judge how the chef has either turned in a very good example of it or else how he&#039;s chosen to break a little with it (and be excited by those things). It also kills me that every visitor says something about how they got fruit at the end and it was &#039;so simple, so humble, so fresh&#039;, when what they really mean is &quot;The only dessert I got was FRUIT?!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y&#8217;know, no one complains about this when they come here to Japan and eat kaiseki. That&#8217;s even more formalized, but I think people don&#8217;t notice. To enjoy that fully, you have be aware of the style and then judge how the chef has either turned in a very good example of it or else how he&#8217;s chosen to break a little with it (and be excited by those things). It also kills me that every visitor says something about how they got fruit at the end and it was &#8216;so simple, so humble, so fresh&#8217;, when what they really mean is &#8220;The only dessert I got was FRUIT?!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://ulteriorepicure.com/2009/08/02/something-raw-something-foie-something-blah/#comment-3160</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Derek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Really couldn&#039;t have said it better myself. Especially true &quot;when I’m visiting a restaurant that I’ll most likely not be able to revisit in any predictable amount of time&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really couldn&#8217;t have said it better myself. Especially true &#8220;when I’m visiting a restaurant that I’ll most likely not be able to revisit in any predictable amount of time&#8221;.</p>
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